American Football Discussion Thread

[Iceman2]

still, you never know

[Mr.Style]

What about those commercials? HAHA, those are the best Super Bowl commercials I have seen in a while. I don't know about you but I thought last year's sucked. Anyways, I had picked the Steelers to win 28-17, and I was going to win a bet of $50 from my friend if I had gotten it exactly right, and in the fourth quarter with 8 minutes left everything was going my way, but I guess it just didn't turn out the way i would have wanted it to, ah well. At least I don't have to pay him for not getting it exactly . Oh, and just to let everyone know, I am not a Steelers fan, the only reason I wanted the Steelers to win was because of the whole 3 missed FG thing in the Giants game against the Seahawks. I am a Giants fan, and I can only think what could haved been if Feely hadn't screwed up three times. So now, I officially hold a grudge against the Seahawks forever and ever, until we beat them in the Playoffs next year...although I doubt they will make the playoffs because of the whole 'Loser of the Super Bowl has a losing season next year' curse.

[Rogmar]

Originally Posted by Mr.Style

What about those commercials? HAHA, those are the best Super Bowl commercials I have seen in a while. I don't know about you but I thought last year's sucked. Anyways, I had picked the Steelers to win 28-17, and I was going to win a bet of $50 from my friend if I had gotten it exactly right, and in the fourth quarter with 8 minutes left everything was going my way, but I guess it just didn't turn out the way i would have wanted it to, ah well. At least I don't have to pay him for not getting it exactly . Oh, and just to let everyone know, I am not a Steelers fan, the only reason I wanted the Steelers to win was because of the whole 3 missed FG thing in the Giants game against the Seahawks. I am a Giants fan, and I can only think what could haved been if Feely hadn't screwed up three times. So now, I officially hold a grudge against the Seahawks forever and ever, until we beat them in the Playoffs next year...although I doubt they will make the playoffs because of the whole 'Loser of the Super Bowl has a losing season next year' curse.

I didn't think they were all that funny.
As for the Giant's thing...who got their butts handed to them by the Panthers?
Visa-versa?
It was a regular season game, didn't affect much.

[Iceman2]

I thought that the commercials this year sucked, except for the fedex one

[ty3c]

Originally Posted by Rogmar

Wow lol...you got 1/3 right.
Hasselbeck had only 2 sacks, he seemed to handle the Pitt pressure well...
The Seahawks put up a greater fight than most would think..from the first half it looked like they would win...
Most of the game during Seattle's possession came on Seattle's part, offensive interference...holding...false starts and what not
3 Big plays set up the touchdown for the Steelers...On Offense
Great game by the steelers, but they didn't look like they did in their playoff run.
It's funny how you boast on your "correctness" maybe you should just say good game...
3 Sacks actually, only one seemed to break the drive which was the last one I think.


I felt like coming here, also felt bitter because of missed opportunities...Next year Seattle...


THERE USING HACKS!!!

IF THE SEAHAWKS COULD HANDLE ALL THE PRESSURE then why was ben only sacked once and hasselbeck three times? hasselbeck also threw an INT... I guess you didnt wanna say that, the seahawks talked trash and made the steelers very mad it's a bad idea to say "it's gonna be sad when the bus leaves without his super bowl ring" it just made the steelers want it more, yea the seahawks helped kill themselfs with false starts and stuff but the fact is the better team wins no matter what and tonight was the steelers night
yes they did not play as well as all those other road games but they got the job done, and did what worked build a nice lead and run out alot of the clock hasselback needed to chill out in the end but he freaked out and threw a bad pass so they could not even get a decent score in the end.

willie parker who no one talked about ran 75 yds for a td, hines ward did his job and got a td pass and the MVP honors, ben will only get better as the years go on also, then ben talked with a great qb and gave him advice "enjoy everything about it but do what you have to win because you may never get back again" who never won a super bowl but got to one, at 23yrs old BEN set some more records and gave the best prize back to one of the best teams in the NFL they ended 15-5 this year and won it all, last year 15-1 but still he's learning more,

as I see it there where only two bad calls the ben td was not really a td from what everyone saw and the flag on hasselbeck for his tackle was stupid and didnt make sense but other then that no the rest of the calls where fine

in only his 2nd year ben is a super bowl champion I wonder what will happen next year the guys a wonder of a football player he's a young HOF in the making perhaps he will win more super bowls or be in more of them.

the seahawks MUST resign there free agents or they wont even have a shot next year I should remind you alexander is still not signed and is a free agent so if the seahawks are smart they will resign him or they lose the best back this year in the NFL.

same with the steelers they must resign Randle El and whoever else overall it was not a game of fireworks but it was an enjoyable game and not driving me crazy i'm quite happy there a new champion, the steelers! no more talk about pats or at least not as much now ty steelers.

in closing to be honest I did like the seahawks BEFORE they made the comment at bettis it was distasteful and made not only steeler fans mad but me mad if they had not said that I would have not really cared the outcome but when you say one of the best must leave without his ring and make the steelers mad you're just asking for it, the steelers where more wicked on the field smacking around players more then the seahawks the seahawks needed to match the painful blows the steelers laid on them they didnt.

after three year I have some offseason to feel great about and thats just the best thing, GL to all the teams next year well not bucs and pats you two can burn in hell lolz but everyone else well laterz

[Arturo02]

Originally Posted by LordDeArnise

Yeah, that one should've been ruled 'Down at the Goaline'. Then again, they would probably score anyway on the next play with Ben or with "The Bus".

it was third down on that play. I don't think he got in either, so it should have been fourth down. If there was a call that changed the game it might have been that one. Otherwise, the Seahawks let that game slip away. Too many mistakes, penalties at crucial moments, and bad clock management at the end of both halves.

[Old Dood]

Don't forget the Seahawk's Receiver kept dropping the darn ball....

[I pwnd U]

Hines Ward dropped a few too but ya Seahawks couldnt seem to catch anything. That FedEx commercial was GREAT! Though i liked the McDonalds one with the Hamster before the Superbowl started. Also Holgram did have some time management problems. Before the end of the 1st half the wasted 10 seconds before the Steelers called a time out. Also had you been listening to the announcers during the review of Bens TD you would of heard them say taht if any part of the ball enters the white line its a touchdown. So the ball did get far enough that it was across the white line while he was in the air. Grant it he didnt get it past the white line but if he hadnt been pushed backwards by that hit he would of ended up with the ball right on the white line. So that is would of been a touchdown. The i think that it was upheld due to inconclusive evidence to overturn the call. The replays were iffy but you never know. I think Willie Parkers 75 yard TD run at the start of the 2nd half kinda broke some of the Seahawks. Hasselbeck did only get sacked 3 times so they did deal with the pressure. Even if Bens TD had been ruled down at the goaline i think they would of pounded it in on third down. Still i have to say the Seahawks let that game slip away. They had momentumm but they couldnt do anythign with it due to penalites and mistakes.

[Rogmar]

Originally Posted by ty3c

IF THE SEAHAWKS COULD HANDLE ALL THE PRESSURE then why was ben only sacked once and hasselbeck three times? hasselbeck also threw an INT... I guess you didnt wanna say that, the seahawks talked trash and made the steelers very mad it's a bad idea to say "it's gonna be sad when the bus leaves without his super bowl ring" it just made the steelers want it more, yea the seahawks helped kill themselfs with false starts and stuff but the fact is the better team wins no matter what and tonight was the steelers night

If you even dared to compare that to the Colt's game, you'll see Matt move around a bit unaffected by pressure, while Petyon has a look of confusion while the Steelers blitz. and those 3 sacks...suprisingly none were by Porter or Polamalu. And Ben threw 2 Int's so you can't say hasselbeck messed bad.
And if you noticed, the Steelers would have only tried to kill the clock if they had over a touchdown lead, if Brown's 2 FGs counted, or those TD's which should have, Pittsburg would be playing a completely different game and Seattle would have a much better chance. And the comment by Stevens made only Porter mad, who seems to be very irascible anyway. Steelers defense didn't look the least bit fired up. If anyone, I would say Seahawks were playing tougher defense than the Steelers up to the 3rd quarter, where they started making mistakes. What went on in Motown was nothing of a display of Steeler football.

Originally Posted by I pwnd U

Also had you been listening to the announcers during the review of Bens TD you would of heard them say taht if any part of the ball enters the white line its a touchdown. So the ball did get far enough that it was across the white line while he was in the air. Grant it he didnt get it past the white line but if he hadnt been pushed backwards by that hit he would of ended up with the ball right on the white line. So that is would of been a touchdown. The i think that it was upheld due to inconclusive evidence to overturn the call. The replays were iffy but you never know.

I heard that too, but if you watched how Ben's arms held the ball, you could have seen how the ball popped back in before it crossed the plane. you can also see how far Ben has to move it (after he's down) to get it back over the line after the defense hit it
The one thing I'm happy about is that Seattle proved they can play as good football as anyone else, you won't hear anyone underestimating them next year if they can get Alexander back.

[Arturo02]

Originally Posted by I pwnd U

Also had you been listening to the announcers during the review of Bens TD you would of heard them say taht if any part of the ball enters the white line its a touchdown. So the ball did get far enough that it was across the white line while he was in the air. Grant it he didnt get it past the white line but if he hadnt been pushed backwards by that hit he would of ended up with the ball right on the white line. So that is would of been a touchdown. The i think that it was upheld due to inconclusive evidence to overturn the call. The replays were iffy but you never know.

how was the ball get across the white line in the air but not on the ground? The goalline is the same in the air as it is on the ground, called the plane. If it crossed it in the air it was a touchdown. It was very hard to tell, but I don't think that was a TD.

And btw, there is no rule pertaining to what you said about being pushed backwards. The ball doesn't cross the plane of the goal, it's not a td no matter what happens. Now if you catch the ball in the end zone and get pushed in the air so your then out of bounds, that's a different story.

[ty3c]

Originally Posted by Rogmar

If you even dared to compare that to the Colt's game, you'll see Matt move around a bit unaffected by pressure, while Petyon has a look of confusion while the Steelers blitz. and those 3 sacks...suprisingly none were by Porter or Polamalu. And Ben threw 2 Int's so you can't say hasselbeck messed bad.
And if you noticed, the Steelers would have only tried to kill the clock if they had over a touchdown lead, if Brown's 2 FGs counted, or those TD's which should have, Pittsburg would be playing a completely different game and Seattle would have a much better chance. And the comment by Stevens made only Porter mad, who seems to be very irascible anyway. Steelers defense didn't look the least bit fired up. If anyone, I would say Seahawks were playing tougher defense than the Steelers up to the 3rd quarter, where they started making mistakes. What went on in Motown was nothing of a display of Steeler football.
I heard that too, but if you watched how Ben's arms held the ball, you could have seen how the ball popped back in before it crossed the plane. you can also see how far Ben has to move it (after he's down) to get it back over the line after the defense hit it
The one thing I'm happy about is that Seattle proved they can play as good football as anyone else, you won't hear anyone underestimating them next year if they can get Alexander back.

YOU are stuck in the past first off the colts didnt play there starters all game long 2nd the steelers did sack hasselabeck three times so that means they still could not handle the pressure, the steelers on there worse day of a football still won meaning they where better anyways they kept the seahawks out of the endzone and only let them get one TD in it alexander was shut down, he may have gotten 95 yrds but no TD'S the seahawks didnt know what to do really to attack they had to try three firld goals and that means there O sucked for the most part, yes the seahawks helped kill themselfs but also they got killed by a better team the steelers are the champions of the world and no one can take that away.

[Arturo02]

just wanted to note that I didn't realize the goal cam angle in a football game isn't really on the goal line so we aren't seeing the true angle the side judge saw.

[Smelly_Butt]

link showing that the steelers did "steal" a win.
http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_...?story_id=2933

[Rogmar]

Originally Posted by ty3c

YOU are stuck in the past first off the colts didnt play there starters all game long 2nd the steelers did sack hasselabeck three times so that means they still could not handle the pressure, the steelers on there worse day of a football still won meaning they where better anyways they kept the seahawks out of the endzone and only let them get one TD in it alexander was shut down, he may have gotten 95 yrds but no TD'S the seahawks didnt know what to do really to attack they had to try three firld goals and that means there O sucked for the most part, yes the seahawks helped kill themselfs but also they got killed by a better team the steelers are the champions of the world and no one can take that away.

Lol, your posts are such jokes...I don't know why I try breaking them down.

Originally Posted by ty3c

YOU are stuck in the past first off the colts didnt play there starters all game long

I was talking about Steelers vs. Colts, I knew the situation of the team in that week as I was cheering for Indy as AFC Champ.

Originally Posted by ty3c

2nd the steelers did sack hasselabeck three times so that means they still could not handle the pressure

2 of those sacks were quite meaningless as they were on drives the ref screwed our touchdowns/first downs up, the 3rd one was the only good sack, and Hasselbeck did handle the pressure if you watched any of it...how else did he have such a high Pass rating and so many passes into the Redzone/End Zone, and I'll say this again, Porter (who talks so much trash) did not get any nor did Polamalu (who I respect the most on the Steelers, maybe Ward though)

Originally Posted by ty3c

the steelers on there worse day of a football still won meaning they where better anyways

I like how few people acknowledge that the Seahawks actually played good football rather than the Steelers playing horribly, and winning off of ref's calls don't make them better.

Originally Posted by ty3c

they kept the seahawks out of the endzone and only let them get one TD in it alexander was shut down, he may have gotten 95 yrds but no TD'S the seahawks didnt know what to do really to attack they had to try three firld goals and that means there O sucked for the most part

Probably the biggest joke in your post...All of the touchdown's dropped catches/penalties were from atleast 10 yards out, as you miight not understand teamwork, getting TD's doesn't disclude you from "shutdown" but rather not contributing, 95 yards in a Super Bowl is more than enough to contribute to the Offense As for Seattle's Offense in general, you must be joking because I don't know where to start. Seattle had atleast 5 missed touchdown drives (penalties, bad ball spots, etc.) Alexander had 95 yards as you mentioned earlier, we had many completions, and Hasselbeck picked up good yardage by foot.

Originally Posted by ty3c

yes the seahawks helped kill themselfs but also they got killed by a better team the steelers are the champions of the world and no one can take that away.

I know some of the the plays the 'Hawks hurt themselves, as for Steelers killing them as a better team, I'd leave that as a very radical statement, only 3 plays came to mind on Steeler's offense, and suprisingly those were the only ones that brought touchdowns. Sure I can't take away their ring or trophy, but I can atleast attempt to show why they didn't "earn" their championship. They deserved it yes, but earn, no.
As for you, you might want to leave NFL game analysist out of your career list and perhaps once you come out of middle school look for careers that don't require your output to be as biased as "they got killed by a better team the steelers"

Originally Posted by Smelly_Butt

link showing that the steelers did "steal" a win.
http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_...?story_id=2933

Can't Wait till "Official Review" on NFL Network...should be interesting

[monk muffle]

wth are you talking about the steelers won sure the ref had stupid calls and yes the seahawks SHOULD have won but they didnt with their oline making stupid decisions by holding on plays that gained them a first they get knocked back 10 yards and second that WR should've had an easy touchdown but he only got 1 foot in (what a retard...)
oh and BTW mat hasselbacks confusion completety Fed it up with 1:50 to go... and...JOEY PORTER GOT HIS REVENGE ON THAT PUNK TiGHT END BY HITIING HIM SO HARD HE DROPPED THE CATCH!!!!(that was him wasn't it?)

[ty3c]

Originally Posted by monk muffle

wth are you talking about the steelers won sure the ref had stupid calls and yes the seahawks SHOULD have won but they didnt with their oline making stupid decisions by holding on plays that gained them a first they get knocked back 10 yards and second that WR should've had an easy touchdown but he only got 1 foot in (what a retard...)
oh and BTW mat hasselbacks confusion completety Fed it up with 1:50 to go... and...JOEY PORTER GOT HIS REVENGE ON THAT PUNK TiGHT END BY HITIING HIM SO HARD HE DROPPED THE CATCH!!!!(that was him wasn't it?)

Monk Muffle you're my new friend

seahawks on a good day could not beat the steelers and the steelers on there worse day could it's just proof that the steelers where better then seahawks also ben was still hurting his thumb was broken and he played his knee got banged up but he just healed it and moved on he reminded me of Mcnabb a few years back when on a broken leg threw four TD passes and over 400 yards but i'll take the 123 Yards of big ben becuase he got us the gift of a championship and mcnabb didnt get the eagles one

big ben is HOF in the making it will be great to watch a rookie turn into one of the games best and thats really what I love about this sport and the bus needed his ring and so did cower

bottom line the steelers are the world champions of the NFL and no one can take that away.

[Shimus DarkRaven]

I'm a die hard steelers fan. You know I am.

But I'll agree, there was some horrible calls. Ben's TD wasn't a td. That was a gift. Then the push off the negate a touchdown..that was incidental contact, at best. And the final 2 bad calls I felt was the hold that forced seattle back and they through the interception, and matt got called for a low block.

But, even though the reffing was horrible, seattle bottom line did not have a good game. Sure, it might have been better than the steelers but the bottom line is they made some bad calls themselves, and shot themselves in the foot. The reffing didn't help, either.

But, when all things said, they should have been able to come back if they're the great team everyone says they are. I mean the steelers battled through horrible calls themselves, and still won, So seattle, if they are of the same calibur, should have did so themselves.

What happened? They didn't. The steelers game was bad, but the hawks game was ten times worse. If holmgren might have had matt throw some deep passes, I think we'da been screwed. But he didn't, and we won.

Game over. No more sore losering. Bad calls don't make or break the game, and if you say they do, you're relying on the refs WAAAY too much. Rely on skill.

--The Shim

[Old Dood]

Originally Posted by Arturo02

just wanted to note that I didn't realize the goal cam angle in a football game isn't really on the goal line so we aren't seeing the true angle the side judge saw.

That is interesting. Didn't know that. I couldn't "see" it as well as I would have liked to. It irritates me that my Comcast Cable doesn't have ABC in HDTV in our area so I had to watch the game in analog. Nice thing about HDTV you can really see the tough calls a whole lot better.

[monk muffle]

ERRRM this needs to get bumped football is the best!!!

[Rogmar]

Originally Posted by monk muffle

JOEY PORTER GOT HIS REVENGE ON THAT PUNK TiGHT END BY HITIING HIM SO HARD HE DROPPED THE CATCH!!!!(that was him wasn't it?)

He was there, but I don't think he hit him, he just came after to see Stevens after he got up.

Originally Posted by shimus darkraven

But, when all things said, they should have been able to come back if they're the great team everyone says they are. I mean the steelers battled through horrible calls themselves, and still won, So seattle, if they are of the same calibur, should have did so themselves.

What happened? They didn't. The steelers game was bad, but the hawks game was ten times worse. If holmgren might have had matt throw some deep passes, I think we'da been screwed. But he didn't, and we won.

Steelers didn't get screwed over by calls as much as Seattle did (Correct call or not)
I'd say the hawks game was better than they usually play and Steelers did worse than usual. And as for deep passes, it was toward the end of the game when those would have really mattered and the weak zone is on the side a little deep, going too deep picks up Polamalu, and no one wants that.
As for comeback, every team has its strengths and weaknesses, Seahawks would have done well on scoring in the early game while other teams might have better luck rallying their players at halftime and putting up a 2 minute drive.
As for who stepped up to the challenge, I would say hawks because they came in underrated putting up a fight much larger than most would believe however that did not earn them the win. You can't quite compare Seattle on a good day and Pitts on the other because of the way the calls came at crucial game points. After all, how do you know Seattle and Pitts weren't playing at the same level? Not all of the best teams can come back in the last 2-4 minutes.
Note: My points might contradict because of the way I tried addressing everything at once.